4 min per 50ft S8?

[MovieStuff]

Hi, all!

I mentioned this software on another thread that dealt with slowmotion. However, it occurs to me that it might work well for saving film costs in general. The software is called "Motion Perfect" and it is really cool stuff. Check out the car crash on this example video:

http://www.dynapel.com/private/mp_video.htm

Motion Perfect actually created 19 artificial frames between each original frame of the car crash, which had been shot at normal speed. Now, the thing is that this software doesn't just interpolate frames. It actually looks at the adjacent frames and calculates, on a pixel by pixel basis, where moving objects should be for the "in-between" frames. It then creates a new frame where there was none before with the subject actually in a different place from one frame to the next!

Spooky.

Anyway, it occured to me that one could shoot at 15fps and use Motion Perfect to generate the missing frames to stretch out the footage to 30fps (for NTSC). A WorkPrinter client of mine, John Meyer, did a test for me and it looked pretty good. The artificial frames don't seem to be as sharp as the "real" frames but at full speed, it seems to look okay. We actually did at test where I removed every other frame and let Motion Perfect re-create the missing frames and the match between the two was uncanny.

Anyway, this stuff is cheap. Like $49.95 or something and I hear it renders really slow. But it seems to me if it can make a super 8 cartridge last 4 minutes then it might be worth experimenting with.

Roger

[mattias]

yeah, i was thinking of this myself but when trying it out with reelsmart twixtor, a similar program, i realised that whenever the program can't "see" the motion, such as when there are multiple planes of it, it has to resort to frame blending or duplication and that isn't very pleasant to the eye when it happens in the middle of some motion. i did use twixtor to create a bullet time effect using only three cameras though. that was cool...

/matt

[wahiba]

I think it is Video Wave Video editing software has a slow motion feature. I tried this on some video I had of model rockets taking off and the results are interesting. It was a 30 day demo of the programme. i did not buy it - but the rocket take offs can be seen on my web site.

[Actor]

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it occured to me that one could shoot at 15fps and use Motion Perfect to generate the missing frames to stretch out the footage to 30fps
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If that works and you applied the idea to 16mm it would bring 16mm costs in line with present Super8 costs. Three new frames between each original frame would bring 35mm costs down to present 16mm costs. Seven new frames would make 35mm as cheap as Super8.

However, I doubt if you could carry it beyond a 50:50 ratio of original frames to new frames without subtle little things like lip sync starting to give problems. Worth experimenting with though.

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[mcarter4121]

The video samples are very compelling.

What would one need to make 16 fps film transfers up to 24 fps ?

Michael

[MovieStuff]

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The video samples are very compelling.

What would one need to make 16 fps film transfers up to 24 fps ?

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Actually, I would just look at the 16fps as if it were 15fps and then use Motion Perfect to stretch it to 30fps buy creating the inbetween frames. The speed would be so close it wouldn't make any differece whether the film originated at 15 or 16fps.

Roger